The Bike from the bars back—finale
Written by: Dan Empfield
Date: Mon May 05 2008
No big whoop, you might say, just mount and ride! I'm sure that's exactly what Bjarne Riis says to his CSC riders (the Ventus is the bar on which the CSC Team races during its timed events). But Riis isn't paying me, and I'm not sponsored by Cervelo, and I'm a little more discriminating about the elements under my elbows and other tender parts.
And, it's not quite so straightforward as the choice of elements—I'm picky about my rider position. I'm 51 years old and for the last 20 years my saddle height has been 79cm, my armrest elevation drop is 15cm, and the saddle's nose on my bike is even with, perhaps 1cm in front of (depending on the saddle I choose), the bottom bracket.
If this is going to be the case—which it will be—then I've got a problem. The Ventus is a one-piece bar with an integrated stem. Since I can't change the stem length or pitch, and since I don't want a lot of spacers underneath the bar, I need to start with the bar and find the right bike from the bars back.
I had several good options for bikes if I wanted to ride this bar in "my" position, and among those were Cervelo's P2C or its P3C. If I chose the P2C I'd ride the Ventus with no spacers. If the P3C, I'd have about 15mm or so of spacers under the stem. I chose the latter because I wanted some wiggle room if in fact my calcs were in error.
I'm glad I chose the bike that I did, because of something on which I did not reckon: the P3C comes stock with a headset top cap that is 20mm tall. This top cap functionally serves as your typical top cap + 15mm of spacers. That's fine, but as an aside I would suggest that Cervelo add a standard top cap to its OE kit. Were I to have chosen the P2C, the bike would've been too tall for me with this top cap.
Accordingly, I'm back to "no wiggle room" as to my position, because with this tall top cap I've sucked up all the space between the head tube top and the aerobar. So, I built the bike (and have put about 50 or 55 miles on it over its first two rides). I'll write about the Ventus bar, and other elements of the P3C, separately. My point here is simply to report on the sizing elements, that is, this is more a report on the F.I.S.T. fit system's "stack" and "reach" measures, to check on their reliability as fit predictors.
My saddle is 1cm in front of the BB, which for me is correct with this saddle—Profile Design's TriStryke—since I sit slightly rearward on it than I do when I ride Fizik's Arione Tri 2 and other saddles. The distance from the saddle nose to the ends of the extensions, minus bar-ends, is 79cm, and the distance from the saddle nose to the back of each armrest (in a straight angular shot) is 46cm. This means the P3C's reach of 44.5cm in this size, for my saddle nose plumb line placement (that is to say, for my chosen seat angle), and for this aero bar, is precisely accurate.
I might mention, as a complete aside, that this is the first time I've noted that my BB-to-saddle top measure is exactly the same as the distance from my saddle's nose to the ends of the extensions, bar-ends omitted. I wonder how often this is the case for properly-positioned triathletes?
Yes, the P3C is precisely the right bike for this bar, for a person with my position coordinates. Is it the only production bike that would've worked for me? Felt's bikes in 58cm in the B12 and below would've worked, but I'd have needed to position the aero bar 10mm lower in elevation. This would automatically be the case if Felt used a headset top cap more typical in its elevation. But I couldn't have ridden Felt's upper-end bikes, because Felt's Bayonet fork includes a built-in stem, and this Ventus bar has its own built-in stem.
Trek, Scott, Specialized, Cannondale, Argon 18, all make nice TT bikes that are 2cm or so too short, front to back, for the combination of me + the Ventus. Kuota's Kalibur is just about long enough, but I can't get the seat far enough forward to suit me. Likewise QR's Seduza/Caliente/Lucero. Of course I can have a custom Elite, or Guru, or Lynskey built, and because I know the intended bike's stack and reach, and the necessary seat angle, I can divine the geometry with precision, and give it the ride characteristics I want through messing with the BB drop, head angle and fork offset.
Since it was not without some quavering of voice that I enunciated my credit card number to Cervelo's chargé Betsy Hilton, it is both convenient and relieving that this experiment-in-fit is a success.
There are some very sexy integrated aero bars on the market right now. Profile Design's Carbon X. 3T's Ventus. Visiontech's Trimax. All these feature integrated stems. How does one divine what frame fits these bars? 3.26.08
Comments
Please Stop Writing Articles...
Reviewed by: byan bowyer, May 8 2008 5:43AM
This article blows goats
Reviewed by: Adam D, May 7 2008 4:49AM
That was the single dullest thing i have ever read on this site. Dude, no-one gives a shit about how anal you are, just tell us whether the bar is any good or not.
Missing info
Reviewed by: Shawn Tyrrell, May 6 2008 12:25PM
One thing missing from these articles (maybe not really missing, but something I would like to see added) is how the bike feels or handles. You mention a number of bikes that can give you the exact same fit. What I'm curious about is how different in performance the two most geometrically opposed frames that would give you the same fit feel. Maybe fodder for another article.



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