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Stack & Reach Database

2007 INDUSTRY DATABASE
(to be updated until all relevant tri bikes are included)

Manufacturers are listed below alphabetically. Click on an entry to jump to that manufacturer. Each table below contains the company's stack & reach measures, per size, along with other relevant data. Click here for a primer on stack & reach sizing.

ARGON18 BLUE CANNONDALE
CALFEE CERVELO ELITE
FELT GIANT JAMIS
KESTREL KUOTA LEADER
QUINTANA ROO SCOTT SPECIALIZED
TREK

To help explain and expand on these tables, please consider the reading below:

NOTES ON THE STACK & REACH TABLE
FIXING BAD CENTER-OF-MASS THROUGH CUSTOM GEOMETRY
HEADSETS AND SPACERS
WEB RESOURCES


NOTES ON THE STACK & REACH TABLE

- All stack and reach measures are taken from the center of the bottom bracket to the top of the head tube, midway between its fore and aft termini. There will probably be a few millimeters of headset cap to add, and this will slightly change per each manufacturer. If the headset is external you'll need to account for this, and we explain how to do this below.

- The seat angle is listed because of the common occurence of proprietary aero seat tube/post complexes that cannot be swapped for aftermarket posts. Keep in mind that at best you're looking at 2 degrees of adjustability fore and aft (4 degrees total) through moving the saddle fore and aft (excepting 2-position seat posts and the Giant's post, the clamp of which sits on a set of "ways." So, if your customer needs 80 degrees and the bike is built at 76.5, or needs 76 degrees and the bike is built at 79, you'll probably need to look for another bike if the post is unswappable.

- The front/center measure is included not because of any issue of fit, but of handling. If the rider chooses a somewhat steep configuration, you'll want some extra front/center for the purpose of achieving a better weight distribution.

FIXING BAD CENTER-OF-MASS USING CUSTOM GEOMETRY

If a rider's center of mass is either too far forward on the bike, or too high above the bike, the best way to fix this on a tri bike is usually to increase the bike's front center. This is explained a bit in our article on short-torsoed riders. The chart below will give you some idea of the change in the bike's front/center you get by shallowing the head angle a half-degree combined with an increase in the fork's offset so as to achieve the same trail. In this case, I'm using certain given wheel radii for 650c and 700c that are subject to change, based on the profile of the tire you use. I'm also arbitrarity choosing an amount of trail typical (but not universal) in tri bike design. As you see, you'll add about 1.5cm of front/center for every degree you slacken the head angle.

650c (315mm tire radius)

Head angle

Offset

trail

Change in F/C

74.0
30
59.1
Baseline
73.5
33
58.9
add .75cm versus baseline
73.0
36
58.7
add 1.5cm versus baseline
72.5
39
58.4
add 2.3cm versus baseline
72.0
41
59.2
add 3.0cm versus baseline
       
700c (336mm tire radius)

74.0
36
58.9
Baseline
73.5
39
58.9
add .75cm versus baseline
73.0
42
58.8
add 1.5cm versus baseline
72.5
45
58.8
add 2.2cm versus baseline
72.0
48
58.7
add 2.9cm versus baseline
71.5
51
58.6
add 3.7cm versus baseline
71.0
54
58.6
add 4.5cm versus baseline

My purpose in highlighting the above relates to the long-legged, short-torsoed athlete described here. In this case, it's often observed that the rider's center of mass sits too high above the ground relative to the wheelbase of that rider's bike, should he be fitted on a bike that corresponds to his cockpit distance. This is more problematic in triathlon than it is in road race, because of the problematic weight displacement steep-angled riders face, and because the "pursuit" position tends to place the rider higher than the road rider's hooks position. Should the rider want to keep his position intact, and should the fitter/designer want to keep his steering geometry intact, the best fix is to add front/center. The table above roughly quantifies the delta when executing that change.

ACCOUNTING FOR EXTERNAL HEADSETS AND SPACERS

A frame's stack & reach are calculated to the head tube top. What of bikes that use external headsets? (also see integrated headsets.) How do you account for this? You can't simply say, "Add 2cm of stack," because the steering axis isn't 90 degrees, it's positioned at 72 degrees or thereabouts. Plus, if you're adding spacers into the mix, you must account for these. Let us say your proposed bike uses an external headset plus you'll want 1.5cm of spacers underneath the stem. Most headsets average about 2cm in stack above the head tube top. So you've got 3.5cm to account for.

The sine of 72 degrees is very close to Sine. The cosine of 72 degrees is very close to Cosine. These numbers are good enough to use for every head angle, because you're looking for precision within 1mm or 2mm, nothing more. So, in the case of 3.5cm of "angled stack," you multiply this times the sine and cosine of 72 degrees, and you get 3.3cm and 1.1cm respectively.

Let's try an example. Let's say that your fit simulator, with stem right down on the simulator's plate (analogous to your stem sitting right on your head tube top), shows you need a frame with a stack and reach of 58.7cm and 43.5cm respectively. Let's say you're considering a Calfee for your customer. You have to account for the Calfee's external headset. This headset, plus perhaps 1.5cm of spacers you might want under the stem, is that 3.5cm of "angled stack" described above. This 3.5cm of stack "angled back" at 73 degrees drives the stack of the frame you'll need down 3.3cm (3.5cm x sine73 = 3.3cm). So the frame's stack you'll need is really 54.4cm, not 58.7cm. This 3.5cm of stuff above the head tube top "shortens" the rider's cockpit by 3.5cm x cosine(73) = 1.1cm. So the actual reach you'll need on your hoped-for Calfee is 44.6cm instead of 43.5cm.

So now you're looking for a frame with a stack and reach of 54.4cm and 44.6cm respectively, not the 58.7cm and 43.5cm you thought you'd need prior to accounting for the "stuff" above the head tube. Calfee offers a production geometry with a 54.7cm and 44.5cm stack and reach, its 58cm tri bike in 700c. Assuming you outfit this frame with the same length and pitch of stem, and same aerobars, as you're using on the fit simulator, take out a 5mm spacer and sub-in a 2mm spacer, and you'll replicate the fit achieved on the simulator to within 1mm.

INTEGRATED HEADSETS: Keep in mind that the bike's published stack must often be added to, because there are head parts that rise above the head tube top even with integrated headsets. This may be 2mm, and it may be 10mm and more.

WEB RESOURCES

There are plenty of good (and even free) resources on the web. The best (that I've found) among the parametric programs that would aid a framebuilder or designer is an Excel-based framebuilding tool by Martin Manning, called Body Geometry 101. Note you'll have to register to join the Framebuilders Forum in order to find and download it.

STACK & REACH TABLES

Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
ARGON18
XS
48.5
39.8
700C
int
80
6.5/8.5*
Low
76/78
577
 
S
49.5
41.1
700C
int
90
6.5/8.5*
Low
76/78
594
E-114
M
51.5
41.9
700C
int
110
6.5/8.5*
Low
76/78
607
E-112
L
53.6
42.8
700C
int
135
6.5/8.5*
Low
76/78
622
                     
 
XS
49.9
39.1
700C
Int
     
76/78
577
MERCURY
S
49.9
40.8
700C
Int
     
76/78
594
 
M
51.9
41.5
700C
Int
     
76/78
607
 
L
53.6
42.5
700C
Int
     
76/78
622
*The E-114 features the ONEness Concept integrated stem and aerobars.


Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
BLUE
XS
49.1
36.4
700C
int
95
N/A
N/A
76-79
559
 
S
50.5
37.2
700C
int
103
N/A
N/A
76-79
554
T14
M
51.3
39.5
700C
int
111
N/A
N/A
76-79
580
 
ML
52.6
40.7
700C
int
125
N/A
N/A
76-79
595
 
L
55.0
42.2
700C
int
150
N/A
N/A
76-78
616
 
XL
57.2
42.6
700C
int
173
N/A
N/A
76-78
629


Model
Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
CALFEE
46
45.7
37.8
650C
ext
91
**
**
77.0
55.3
 
48
46.3
40.3
650C
ext
91
**
**
77.0
56.8
 
50
47.2
41.9
650C
ext
100
**
**
77.0
58.7
 
52
48.4
42.5
650C
ext
113
**
**
77.0
59.7
54
49.8
43.6
650C
ext
128
**
**
76.5
61.2
ALL
56
51.9
45.0
650C
ext
150
**
**
76.5
63.2
56
54.2
44.0
700C
ext
128
**
**
76.5
64.0
58
53.3
45.4
650C
ext
160
**
**
76.5
64.0
58
54.7
44.9
700C
ext
133
**
**
76.0
65.0
60
54.8
46.5
650C
ext
180
**
**
76.0
65.6
60
57.0
46.1
700C
ext
165
**
**
76.0
67.0

** Each of Calfee's bikes have stem and bar spec'd by the dealer prior to shipping


Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
CANNONDALE
51
49.4
37.1
700C
int
90
73/78
565
Slice Ultimate
54
50.9
39.8
700C
int
105
73/78
596
1, 3, & 5
56
52.9
40.7
700C
int
125
73/78
607
58
54.8
41.7
700C
int
145
73/78
623
 
60
57.2
42.5
700C
int
170
73/78
639
                     
47
47.9
35.2
650C
int
132
90x6
High
75/77
546
 
51
51.8
36.3
700C
int
115
90x6
High
74/76
563
Ironman
54
51.8
39.3
700C
int
115
110x6
High
74/76
593
Six 13 Slice Si
56
53.4
40.4
700C
int
130
110x6
High
74/76
605
1, 2 & 3
58
55.3
41.4
700C
int
150
120x6
High
74/76
621
 
60
57.2
42.4
700C
int
170
120x6
High
74/76
637


 
Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
CERVELO
48
46.1
38.9
650C
int
110
70x6
Low
75/78
568
 
51
48.2
40.5
700C
int
90
70x6
Low
75/78
586
P3C
54
49.8
41.9
700C
int
105
90x6
Low
75/78
609
 
56
51.6
43.3
700C
int
125
90x6
Low
75/78
626
 
58
53.5
44.5
700C
int
145
110x6
Low
75/78
643
 
61
56.4
45.4
700C
int
175
110x6
Low
75/78
659
                     
 
48
46.1
38.9
650C
int
110
70x6
Low
75/78
568
P2C
51
48.2
40.5
700C
int
90
70x6
Low
75/78
586
P2SL
54
51.2
41.8
700C
int
120
90x6
Low
75/78
609
DUAL
56
53.1
42.9
700C
int
140
90x6
Low
75/78
626
 
58
55.0
44.0
700C
int
160
110x6
Low
75/78
643
 
61
57.7
44.7
700C
int
180
110x6
Low
75/78
659


Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
ELITE
XS
46.25
35.5
650C
ext
96
**x6
High
78.0
 
 
S
49.0
37.0
650C
ext
115
**x6
High
77.5
 
 
S
48.0
37.0
700C
ext
60
**x6
High
78.0
 
T CLASS
MS
50.5
38.5
700C
ext
80
**x6
High
77.5
 
 
M
52.0
41.0
700C
ext
100
**x6
High
77.0
 
 
L
54.0
44.0
700C
ext
120
**x6
High
76.5
 
 
XL
57.5
44.0
700C
ext
165
**x6
High
76.0
 
 

NOTE: Customer specs stem length, but pitch is 6 degrees. Aerobar is Easton, lower profile adjustability is available.


 
Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
FELT
48
46.5
37.0
650C
int
115
60x0
Low
80/78
562
 
50
48.5
39.0
650C
int
130
80x0
Low
80/78
568
DA
52
50.0
40.5
700C
int
100
90x0
Low
80/78
589
B2
54
51.0
41.5
700C
int
110
100x0
Low
78/76
596
S22
56
52.5
42.5
700C
int
125
100x0
Low
78/76
612
S32
58
54.5
45.0
700C
int
145
110x0
Low
78/76
640
 
60
56.0
46.0
700C
int
160
110x0
Low
79/77
657


 
Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
                     
GIANT
XS
50.3
39.7
700C
int
100
90x6
High
78.0
59.0
 
S
51.7
41.0
700C
int
115
90x6
High
78.0
60.7
Trinity Alliance
M
53.3
42.7
700C
int
130
100x6
High
78.0
62.9
 
L
54.8
44.9
700C
int
145
110x6
High
78.0
65.0
 
S
52.1
38.4
700C
int
120
 
High
75.0
 
Trinity Composite
M
53.0
40.0
700C
int
130
 
High
75.0
 
 
L
53.8
42.4
700C
int
140
 
High
75.0
 


Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
JAMIS
Small
496
405
700C
int
100
*
*
78
 
 
Medium
509
417
700C
int
110
*
*
78
 
Xenith
MedLrg
531
432
700C
int
130
*
*
78
 
T1/T2
Large
556
457
700C
int
160
*
*
78
 
 
51
493
402
700C
int
100
 
high
78
 
 
54
506
415
700C
int
110
 
high
78
 
Trilogy
56
525
430
700C
int
130
 
high
78
 
 
58
539
447
700C
int
145
 
high
78
 
 
61
553
454
700C
int
160
 
high
78
 
 
51
493
402
700C
int
100
 
high
78
 
 
54
506
415
700C
int
110
 
high
78
 
Comet
56
525
431
700C
int
130
 
high
78
 
 
58
539
447
700C
int
145
 
high
78
 
 
61
554
454
700C
int
160
 
high
78
 
*NOTE: The T1 features high profile Profile T2 Cobras with a 6° stem. The T2 features low profile Easton Attack TT bars with a 10° stem.


Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
KESTREL
47
43.7
39.9
650C
int
76
90x6
High
78.0
563
 
50
46.6
40.9
650C
int
105
90x6
High
77.5
579
 
52
48.4
41.5
650C
int
123
90x6
High
77.0
589
AIRFOIL PRO
54
50.3
42.6
700C
int
92
100x6
High
76.5
607
 
56
52.1
43.1
700C
int
113
100x6
High
76.0
616
 
59
55.0
43.9
700C
int
142
110x6
High
76.0
630


Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
KUOTA
48
49.6
39.0
700C
int
95
   
79
58.2
 
51
49.6
41.1
700C
int
95
   
79
60.0
KUEEN-K
54
50.5
42.4
700C
int
105
   
79
61.6
 
56
51.5
43.9
700C
int
115
   
79
63.3
 
58
53.4
45.4
700C
int
135
   
79
63.4
                     
 
S
49.8
39.6
700C
int
95
90x6
High
76
58.6
 
M
50.8
41.1
700C
int
105
90x6
High
76
60.4
KALIBUR
L
52.3
42.8
700C
int
120
100x6
High
76
61.8
 
XL
54.2
43.9
700C
int
140
1100x6
High
76
63.4
                     
 
S
52.7
38.7
700C
int
125
70x6
High
76
58.6
 
M
53.6
40.2
700C
int
135
70x6
High
76
60.4
K-FACTOR
L
55.2
41.9
700C
int
150
90x6
High
76
61.8
 
XL
56.0
43.9
700C
int
160
90x6
High
76
63.4

The Kalibur's standard aerobar is Profile Design, hence the "high" profile designation. This model does, however, have HED as an aerobar option, which would be designated as having "low" profile armrests.


Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
LEADER
50
50.0
39.0
700C
int
 
*
*
78
57.0
 
54
51.0
42.0
700C
int
 
*
*
78
60.4
LD735TT
57
52.0
43.0
700C
int
 
*
*
78
62.0
 
60
55.0
44.5
700C
int
 
*
*
78
64.5
 
63
58.0
45.5
700C
int
*
*
78
66.0
                     
 
50
50.9
39.6
700C
int
 
*
*
78
57.8
LD720TT
54
51.0
42.6
700C
int
 
*
*
78
60.8
LD780TT
57
52.8
43.7
700C
int
 
*
*
78
62.5
 
60
55.7
45.1
700C
int
 
*
*
78
64.7
 
63
58.5
45.9
700C
int
*
*
78
66.4

*NOTE: Leader sells their bikes as bare frames only - no fork, headset, or seatpost is included.


 
Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
QR
46
45.0
38.0
650C
int
90
90x5
Low
78.5
568
 
49
50.0
40.0
700C
int
90
90x5
Low
78.5
590
07 KILO
52
50.0
42.0
700C
int
90
100x5
Low
78.5
603
07 TEQUILO
55
52.0
44.0
700C
int
110
100x5
Low
78.5
637
 
58
54.5
45.5
700C
int
140
110x5
Low
78.5
662
 
61
57.0
47.0
700C
int
165
110x5
Low
78.5
683
                     
SEDUZA
                   
CALIENTE
                   
LUCERO
     


 
Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
SPECIALIZED
Small
50.5
38.0
700C
int
100
75x8
*
*
57.5
 
Medium
51.6
39.5
700C
int
110
75x8
*
*
58.9
All 2008 Transition
Large
52.6
40.5
700C
int
120
90x8
*
*
60.2
 
XLarge
52.7
42.5
700C
int
120
100x8
*
*
62.1
                     
49
49.4
38.2
700C
int
90
75x8
High
76.75
57.5
 
52
50.5
39.7
700C
int
100
90x8
High
76.25
58.9
 
54
51.7
40.6
700C
int
115
100x8
High
76.0
60.2
All 2007 Transition
56
53.9
41.4
700C
int
135
100x8
High
76.0
61.1
 
58
56.1
41.9
700C
int
160
110x8
High
75.5
62.3
 
61
58.5
42.8
700C
int
185
120x8
High
75.0
63.9
                     


Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
SCOTT
XS
50.4
37.9
700C
int
100
90x8
High
76.0
58.1
 
S
51.5
39.2
700C
int
110
90x8
High
76.0
59.3
All Plasma
M
52.7
40.4
700C
int
120
110x8
High
76.0
60.4
 
L
54.8
41.6
700C
int
140
110x8
High
76.0
61.8
 
XL
58.1
42.7
700C
int
175
120x8
High
76.0
64.0


 
Size
Stack
Reach
Wheel
HS
HT
Stem
Hbars
SA
Ft/Ctr
TREK
S
52.0
39.0
700C
int
105
70x12
High
75/77
 
EQUINOX 9.5
M
53.0
41.7
700C
int
115
70x12
High
75/77
 
EQUINOX 9.9
L
56.8
42.8
700C
int
155
70x12
High
75/77
 
                     
 
50
49.0
38.7
700C
int
78
70x7
High
76
 
 
52
51.0
39.7
700C
int
97
80x7
High
76
 
EQUINOX 7
54
53.0
41.2
700C
int
116
90x7
High
76
 
EQUINOX 9
56
55.0
41.8
700C
int
136
100x7
High
76
 
 
58
56.9
43.3
700C
int
156
110x7
High
76
 
 
60
59.8
44.5
700C
int
186
120x7
High
76
 
                     
 
50
50.0
37.5
650C
ext
121
70x17
High
76
 
 
52
51.5
39.0
650C
ext
139
90x17
High
76
 
EQUINOX 5
54
53.5
40.0
700C
ext
103
100x17
High
76
 
 
56
55.3
40.5
700C
ext
121
100x17
High
76
 
 
58
57.0
41.7
700C
ext
139
110x17
High
76
 
 
60
58.8
43.3